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But he's an anti-Semite. You'd be amazed how many military historians see that as just a detail. They see him as a serious historian who happens to see things from Hitler's point of view. -Yeah, but it's not a detail. You know, I think it's at the center of everything he thinks and does. -So do I. Yeah. He's a liar and a falsifier of history. === You see, as I see it, it's academia versus the rest. Remember, the greatest historians have never been academics. We're outsiders. Cato, Thucydides, Gibbon, Churchill... I field a very strong team. === What if we lose? Huh? It suddenly becomes acceptable, it becomes respectable to say the Holocaust didn't happen? Has anyone thought about what that will mean? But the wonderful thing is, you see, if we play this right, it's not going to be Irving putting the Holocaust on trial. No. It's going to be us putting Irving on trial.